
Could we actually separate the two as innocuous bystanders and still be friends? I dunno, I’m afraid to find out.
Recently, John McCain denounced any attachments to John Hagee and Rod Parsley (mostly John Hagee) because of their outlandish statements about Jews and Catholics. (And, might I say, Mr. Obama might stand to learn a lesson about aligning one’s self with radical religious groups… Rev. Wright included. OK, I don’t believe that Wright’s sermon was given to us in the proper context. I understood full well what he was driving at with his comments and also believe and know that the media cut apart the sermon so that we’d only get to see the inflammatory parts. I was always taught to read the paragraph before and the paragraph after, just in case there’s more to the story. I do, however, believe that during a presidential election, it is IMPERATIVE and especially SIGNIFICANT to do things right and draw as little skepticism towards oneself. In other words, do not walk around in neon green with a big pink boa unless you want people to notice EVERYTHING that you do.)
So, Hagee made some crazy comments about Jews and Catholics? Really…?
It’s not surprising. Let me enlighten you a little…
When I grew up IN a Pentecostal Non-Denominational Church (meaning, no overseeing hierarchy of leader-like pastors, no committees or subcommittees, no business-like structure with official letterhead or checks), I heard many a sermon, especially by our 2nd pastor (Pastor Screams Alot) denouncing the Catholic Church as a cult that is controlled by child-molesting perverts who worship a man (i.e. idol) instead of GOD. (There’s also a LOT of scripture that they used to backup their statements… like something about false idols and another thing about worshipping man and homosexuality and temple priests, etc.
Granted, Pastor Screams Alot was in charge of that church over 20 years ago. And, at the time, the majority of the church were former Catholics with familial ties to the Catholic “establishment.” My family, for instance, emerged from a LONG line of Old World Catholics who went to Latin mass (even if you didn’t understand a thing), attended Catholic school, and was baptised/communionized/confirmed like GOOD little Catholics. We also contributed to ”Catho-robics” by continually standing-sitting-kneeling. However, for whatever reason, the ex-Catholics (my mother included), disenchanted by the pull of the Catholic Church began to seek elsewhere… beginning to agree that the Church was some sort of cult that would drag your soul to hell in a big fat handbasket. In the beginning, I used to BEG my mother to take us to the Catholic Church in town. She refused. She said that we could no longer associate ourselves with Catholics–as friends or family. In fact, she took EVERY opportunity (and still does) to make sure that EVERY Catholic knows that their church will not bring people to heaven, but will instead drag them to the pits of hell. (She will drive that point home, too.)
Hey… aside from sitting with Father Smokes-Alot and Father Drinks-Only-Expensive-Scotch in confessional, being a Catholic wasn’t so bad. Masses were shorter than Pentecostal services (which could last up to 2 or more hours at a time). You were given relative freedom to participate in the “free will” thing without some red-faced man pacing at the pulpit while screaming (and spitting) about how you NEED(ah) to escape(ah) the strangle-hold of sin from your life(ah) so that YOU can receive(ah) ever-lasting life(ah) and sit(ah) at the right hand(ah) of God(ah).
These sermons fed on the fear that humans have of the afterlife. Is there one? Is there not? When we die, where do we go? Do we get another chance to change our evil-wicked ways? Or, are we doomed to eternity in hell?
It was all of the shame, guilt, fear, and intimidation, minus the very little of God’s true love shining on your head and that overall koombahyah tingling good feeling running through your bones, that scared people into never stepping into a Catholic Church. (“We are free from the binds that tie you,” my mother used to say.)
Being screamed at, chastized, accused of being a harlot (oh, yeah, YOUTH GROUP WAS FUN), and other not-so-fun things really wears on a person. Personally, it didn’t do a hell of a lot for my self-esteem.
In turn, it took MANY years of this screaming, “YOU NEED GOD!” mentality to yank the desire to return to the Catholic Church right out of my body. Eventually, I was COMPLETELY finished with this thing called church– Pentecostal, Catholic, altogether. And, for as much as the conservative right would disagree, some churches can literally brain-wash you into thinking that YOU are right because YOU are doing God’s will…
We can draw many similarities here–
Pentecostals like THAT group are much akin to the Jehovahs we are constantly shooing away from our front doors. (Minus the holidays vs. no holidays issue.) Both groups are seeking to gather souls in accordance to their religious beliefs. Both groups promise ever-lasting salvation IF you follow the tenets of their belief-system. Both shame you for sin and error, but also give you a chance at redemption. Jehovahs are always willing to sit and talk to you (usually without screaming) in order to wear you down until you have nothing left and relent, giving in to their plan, and becoming a tie-wearing-bike-riding-backpack-wearing-walking-in-pairs Jehovah. Tried… AND true.
Yet… there were also many sermons preached about the intrinsic evils of Mormons, Jehovahs, Agnostics, Atheists (naturally), and other non-born-again-by-this-particular-church’s-standards-of-being-saved thing… that gave a person (most, at least) a feeling of superiority over OTHER religions.
“I don’t LIKE the Muslim religion, but I don’t think I’d hate a Muslim,” my mother say yesterday.
Five years ago, she would’ve said, “All Muslims are sinners and will burn in hell.”
Yesterday, she added to her comment, “…it’s just that they’re sinners and will spend eternity in hell if they don’t get themselves ‘right.’”
What DOES right mean? Can anyone actually… BE right?
Back to politics.
Since the first European settlers stepped foot onto the unbastardized shores of the Americas, they brought with them religion. The goal of Spanish conquistadors was to conquer THEN convert. The French brought priests with them on their exploratory voyages. The English reform groups were cast OUT of England/Britain following the death of Elizabeth I, reverting back and forth between Catholicism and Protestantism. No native person would have stood a chance against these three powerhouses. And, in turn, no native person DID stand a chance. If disease did not kill them, it was the power of God’s almight sword, in the hand of God’s army, that would slaughter infidels.
Isn’t that the story of the world? I could probably come up with a list of a hundred events that occurred because one group thought that their religion was mightier than the other’s. And, for the record… wars, conflicts, and strife most always have religious undertones: Spanish Armada (1588): English Protestants vs. Spanish Catholics; Serbia-Herzegovina with the Muslims vs. Catholics; the Salem witch trials: Puritans and those accused of evil-doing. There’s always an “infidel” and the “righteous.” Are American politics beginning to lean in that manner as well?
For months I’ve been deleting emails proclaiming Obama to be a Muslim extremist supporter and such. And, for more months than that, I’ve had to listen to the Conservative Right bitch and moan about McCain not being conservative enough for their tastes.
And, then the “battle of the errant pastors” began with accusations, video clips, denunciations by political candidates, and the like.
I recall a thing called “Separation of Church and State.”
According to this website, “The phrase “wall of separation between the church and the state” was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church’s business, not to keep the church out of the state’s business.”
Ok, sounds about right.
Elsewhere, I found this, the Danbury letter, written by Thomas Jefferson on 1 January 1802 and in it Jefferson writes, “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”
In building this “wall” of separation, Jefferson gave away a hint about his OWN spirituality. As stated in an article called, “The Mythical “Wall of Separation”: How a Misused Metaphor Changed Church-State Law, Policy, and Discourse, the author Daniel L. Dreisbach wrote, “Jefferson was inaugurated the third President of the United States on March 4, 1801, following one of the most bitterly contested elections in history. His religion, or the alleged lack thereof, was a critical issue in the campaign. His Federalist Party foes vilified him as an infidel and atheist. The campaign rhetoric was so vitriolic that, when news of Jefferson’s election swept across the country, housewives in New England were seen burying family Bibles in their gardens or hiding them in wells because they expected the Holy Scriptures to be confiscated and burned by the new Administration in Washington. (These fears resonated with Americans who had received alarming reports of the French Revolution, which Jefferson was said to support, and the widespread desecration of religious sanctuaries and symbols in France.)”
So, let’s face facts. For as much as we’d like to see a separation during THIS campaign (free from radical Born-Agains pointing fingers at everyone else OR radical comments from ministers/pastors/priests that are inflammatory and possibly “dangerous” for the candidates), I don’t think we’ll see it.
Aside from disassociating themselves from errant Church leaders, these men will be challenged by the Far Right (Uber Conservative Christians) and Far Left (Uber Liberal Non-Christians… or whatever they consider themselves to be)… and my bet is that both will profess the LOVE of God and will want to impart it onto their people (flock).
Just keep this in mind: Obama has to work like hell to shake off the baggage he has brought with him. In turn, McCain needs to be careful, if HE wants to win, that the Far Right Ubers do not point their fingers and scream that HE will goto hell unless he mends his errant ways.
(In other words, after I rambled on and on like this for ONE point: The presidential election is not that much unlike my childhood–fear of God, fear of Christian people accusing you of NOT being Christian-enough, apprehension that SOMEONE will label you something that makes you uncomfortable, and uh… shame and guilt. But, I think the shame and guilt will come from Hillary’s camp more than from anywhere else.)
By the way, one last thought: If Obama bends to the GUILT and embarassingly RIDICULOUS threats of Billary to make her the VP of Obama-land, then he will get what he deserves. They are ONLY threatening him so that they can wiggle their way into the White House again… and pave the way for her to transition into the role of president by showing the world (stand back, this gets big and loud)….
THAT SHE IS WOMAN, HEAR HER ROAR!
I, however, am not convinced that she is THE woman to do any job of the sort. I’m not even glad that she made NY her home. She’s not a NYer. *I* am more of a NYer than she is. Don’t forget, I come from four generations of NYC stock… She’s just a tag-a-long.
Signing out while mostly coherent,
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